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Crab Man's Tate Brothers Threads Part III
(This is the part where I did a deep dive of Andrew's old @OfWudan Twitter account + more details came out about the case in the meantime)
ONCE MORE I will remind you: I was banned from Twitter on faulty grounds. Please spring me from this prison, thanks. You can do that by (politely!) tweeting to Ella Irwin and ask her to respond to my appeal request.
In part 1 of the Tate brothers threads I went over my initial digging into their business. Andrew and Tristan hadn’t reached the peak of notoriety at the time and were more relatively obscure figures, as it wasn’t until Summer 2022 that had them taking off and TikTok, followed being deplatformed.
In part 2 we reviewed the situation surrounding the initial arrest of the Tate brothers, and learned of the fuller extent of it. This included threats Andrew made against other people, our first look inside the war room, wiretaps and leaks from the Romanian investigators, and the tug-of-war over the general public that unfolded after the brothers were locked up. It wasn’t just the Tate brothers arrested, but also two female lieutenants who worked for them. Nor were all the victims willing to accept such a label from authorities, as two of them decided to continue defending the brothers in the media.
Now, with part 3? This is when we all got lucky. For some reason, Twitter reinstated Andrew Tate’s old @OfWudan Twitter account. I spent several days going on an archiving spree of as much as I could find. Not only were the details of A.T.’s camgirl operation were openly discussed by him, everything but the kitchen sink came up on OfWudan because ol’ Andy tweeted his every waking thought.
And also: REMINDER THAT YOUR BOY ANDREW TATE HAD HIS PEOPLE DELETE THE OFWUDAN TWITTER ACCOUNT AFTER I MADE MY THREAD CALLING IT ALL OUT. Clearly the act of an innocent man with nothing to hide!
On the OfWudan Twitter account
When the Tate brothers were first arrested, people cried out “what about Epstein!?” They did so to deflect. They did that to try and distract from the investigation itself, and any and all potential wrongdoings committed by Andrew and Tristan.
People need to reassess how they look at Andrew Tate because his observations about Jeffrey Epstein were praising his “access to pussy,” calling him the best kind of pimp. It’s a statement that doesn’t really scream the sophisticated elegance that Tate fans try to imply is within Andrew’s messaging.
To quote the wise one: “Epstein reminds me of when a girl catches me cheating and I instantly dump her. Evidence sccmevidnce. You don’t exist anymore. So there’s no case.”
You might laugh at the following quote, but Andrew Tate has seriously tried everything he can to enact vengeance from jail:
"Alot of little dorks on the internet saying tough and acting tough and doing stupid things. ALL of you are findable. With my bank balance and network. I could find literally ANY of you, in ANY country. HOME ADDRESS. And if I can. Imagine who else can? Think twice."
Would you go public against him if he had violated you in the past? The answer is probably no.
Now, it's to his detriment. The theme here is self-snitching. “You can not FAKE my lifestyle,” Andrew himself claims.
It’s not the only time either. Yet for some reason I have to spend the time (once again) to remind people about this. It’s likely because people in the right-wing huffed paint and have collective amnesia, and are now willing to dupe themselves into believing Mr. Andrew “above the law” Tate, is a good boy who dindu nuffin.
Let me play captain obvious. Here is Andrew Tate sharing a conversation he had with police and this establishes he has had friends inside law enforcement. A.T. got as careless as he did with his business affairs because he believed he was untouchable.
“What’s even funnier is, much like bond, I don’t have to pay my parking tickets. They can’t make me. I’m a legal black hole. I’m above the law.”
Get used to seeing a lot of quotes of Andrew Tate’s own words.
Again, here’s A.T. saying he’s above the law:
“I just wanna sit around with my brothers in Romania (where I’m above the law) Drive fast cars Fuck hot women Fight everyday And make tons of money. Does that make me a bad person?”
Andrew and Tristan are not law-abiding citizens. No matter what they try to claim otherwise, now, from their jail cells.
FLASHBACK to the times that Andrew Tate fled Germany and Spain. “They’ve also got everyone’s IDs from hotel reception. Thank fuck I used a dummy passport. Second time this trip it saved me,” he tweeted in confession to having a fake ID. “They have my car but it has a fake plate. They have my ID but it has a fake name," Tate publicly admitted once more.
“If you don’t have at least 5 sets of identities you’re a loser. English Andrew is banned from driving. Romanian Andrew is driving now. Do you UNDERSTAND? THIS is why you need the war room. Passports.”
He’d not respect the Spanish court system. “Imagine respecting a Spanish court. That just shows you don’t have your life in order. There’s 8 different Andrews. (THE WAR ROOM) I got 8 lives. 8 licences and passports.”
He brought all of this up when stopped by Italian police, too.
“You’re all virgin losers. Fuck law and order. Let it burn.”
“I want power connections money and status. My skills pay bills.”
October 2019. Andrew Tate posted the following video playing off the law as a joke. When in Istanbul, he bribed his driver 100 euro to drive on the shoulder even though it was illegal.
Tate fans missed their chance on some lore by not digging into Andrew’s old OfWudan account.
(Twitter age-gated the tweet so it didn’t archive, But here’s what it said, published in May 2020): “I found an old video. 5/6 years ago. Me and T in an apartment in the mountains with 7 of our cam girls. We’re wearing masks because it was back before I had an insta twitter anything. No one knew I had a cam company. Those girls were making me 200k profit a month.”
Andrew Tate is much much much more than the “camgirl guy.” He’s also a mobster in the business of life ruination.
This is how A.T. gets revenge against people who wrong him:
“A man robbed me of 500 pounds on a low level business deal about 4 years ago. I found out his brother owned a Lebanese restaurant. So... I put a cam girl outside with flyers saying ‘this is a family of thieves.’ She’d hand them out to people on their way in or out. With the true story saying they robbed this pretty girls money instead of mine. Customers started complaining to staff ‘Why’d you steal from her?’ The owners grew tired of the bullshit. Fatigue. They yelled at the girl and customers were disgusted. ‘You can’t yell at her you robbed her!’ I was sitting in the car watching making sure she’s ok. It took only 3 days for the brother (not even the man who owed me) to pay me.”
He goes on to say that the best plan of attack is to make your opponent exhausted first, then finish them off when they’re tired.
The attention that Andrew Tate gives to acquiring many passports and drivers licenses is worth mentioning in its own right.
Tweets like these are likely why the Romanian courts are rejecting the Tate brothers appeals:
(12:14 PM · Dec 13, 2019) “I speak about this here: But long story short. You can’t ban me from driving I have 9 licences. You can’t freeze my passport. I have 4. You can’t take my money. It’s EVERY WHERE It takes INTERNATIONAL COOPERATION to slow me down. And that’s rare.”
(7:44 AM · Dec 21, 2019) "I have 5 passports. I also changed my name legally in 3 of the countries so that my passports all have completely different names. I have had warrants out for my arrest and travelled freely. I am smarter than you. I am Steven Seagal. I am above the law."
In case you have a short attention span, a few paragraphs ago we explored how Andrew Tate used his multiple passports and IDs to escape the law in Germany and Spain.
The day after the January 6th riots, Andrew Tate’s solution for conservatives was fleeing the USA. This wasn’t out of the ordinary. You could put Andrew’s beliefs about everyone needing multiple passports in the same category of importance as Andrew’s attitude about women. At least in terms of his priorities, he speaks about both subjects as if they had the same degree of lifestyle relevance.
But the thing about preaching multiple passports is that it’s only the beginning. If you follow that train of thought to its conclusion it becomes advocating for hidden money too.
Andrew Tate literally segues the two subjects together:
“My number one goal once rich was to become a GLOBAL citizen. I can hide out in Japan with money on a USB stick. Cook islands? Forever? Cool. I have 7 passports. I dont like putting my money places where a TAX AUTHORITY is involved. Theyre [gonna] steal it. Fuck them.”
A.T. has several tweets where he repeatedly and openly advocates committing tax fraud. This mindset also came up in one of A.T.’s courses, where he told viewers to use taxes as a reason to mislead his camgirl employees about their portion of wages.
"Fuck the tax man. Cheat every possible way," he says.
Other life advice from Andrew includes stealing from multinational corporations. He considers it a form of restitution for the taxes that large companies don’t pay.
In the summer of 2020, Andrew Tate had a road rage incident with a Ferrari, and he had his people stalk the vehicle for miles. "I had the police the mafia everyone looking for this cunt," he says.
A.T.’s description of it was that the Ferrari engaged in some kind of hit-and-run, and in the Ferrari’s escape it got into the wrong lane of the road and almost hit Andrew. In the video he’s shouting because a near-death experience is pretty stressful.
The follow-up video had Andrew showing a snapshot of the Ferrari with the license plate details uncensored, courtesy of A.T’s “boys.” It didn’t take long for them to find the actual car, follow it, and have people waiting around the vehicle until the owner showed up.
A.T. followed up by making this statement:
“I can end him and be back on the street by next year. Max. Let’s see how rude mr France wants to be. He almost killed me. He will beg. Or he will pay.”
For unknown reasons, Andrew came back to the Ferrari thread several weeks later. “If you had killed someone in their sleep. And they died without ever seeing it coming, with zero resistance. Would you sleep soundly ever again?,” he tweeted.
The most that can be said about this incident is that it was, at the very least, vigilantism.
SO. Let's talk about Andrew Tate's casinos next.
It’s important to consider Andrew Tate’s casinos when talking about him because it’s an escalation of the seedy side to his financials. While there’s legitimacy to the gambling industry overall — Andrew openly admits (multiple times) to getting the local mafia’s permission and involvement in his case.
To put it another way: Biff from Back to the Future.
Tate war room members got an ownership percentage (according to Andrew). The implications of this matter as it solidifies a deeper financial incentive for parties involved. Money as a motive means it’s easier to go along with whatever Andrew Tate wants to do. Legality be damned.
Part of Tate’s plan worked. Part of it didn’t. What failed to materialize was this so-called “C.A.S.H (casino acquisition share holding) system” that promised to be a money-mover app.
Read this next part, and imagine how financial regulators would’ve reacted to the pitch:
"If you take the cash option and need to change 500,000 euro into USD? 20mins. Wanna buy a house or a Lambo in cash? No problem. What to move that PHYSICAL money across borders? Easy. Everything is doable. You need the ability to bend and break rules. Or stay a loser."
So. What happened? COVID happened. The pandemic altered the course of how Tate’s casino racket panned out in 2020.
We actually have a decent snapshot of Andrew Tate’s empire in early 2020:
“Assets - 11 casinos. 6 houses. 15 commercial outlets. Combined value? I don’t even know. Combined income? Varies. 300/400 maybe. All of this money just opens more casinos and pays for private planes. I don’t touch it for anything else.”
Andrew Tate also shared how much dough he made on a monthly basis. Paid out: £311,069.75. Paid in: £448,153.57.
(Disclaimer: the date on the tweet is April 2020, amid the global pandemic lockdowns that impacted his usual sources of income. Something to keep in mind, is all.)
Here’s a compilation of casino clips from Andrew Tate’s OfWudan account. It’s one thing to see tweets with words describing the environment.
But what’s best is to visually witness that whole atmosphere. (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8) The fact that A.T. felt the need to compulsively share as much of his life as he had, is the reason why any of the Twitter threads/Substacks were possible.
He loved the idea of casinos being open 24/7, allowing him a continuous stream of income. The layout was relegated to slot machines intentionally. Andrew’s logic was that things like blackjack tables required more manpower. Too messy! Too complicated.
I’m going to pull out the bold font for this one. Andrew once confessed that he used his girls as “spies” and has them record conversations they have with other men. What does that have to do with casinos? I’d argue that casinos are the perfect setup to entrap unsuspecting men in.
But that aside? A.T. loved the fact that staff ran the whole operation. He publicly relished the symbol of success that casinos represented. Andrew wanted thirty casinos by 2021. But things got in the way of that.
Andrew Tate’s defenders try and downplay the camgirls aspect. But the OfWudan account also reveals that — while the initial plan was to scale back webcam work — Andrew had to build the camgirls side back up again to save himself in response to the money obstacles of the 2020 pandemic. It worked out though, seeing as how COVID drove up demand for camgirls.
(Reminder that it wasn’t until August 2022 when the Tate brothers formally transferred ownership of Talisman Enterprises SRL to Georgiana Naghel. In turn, she sold it to Tristan’s girl Abigail Tyson and the Dubai based company Posllipo.)
“People often say I am interesting because of my links with organised crime. Organised crime isnt interesting. Its just normal business,” Andrew Tate tweeted in early 2020. Gee I wonder why Andrew’s people took down his OfWudan Twitter account?
If such a direct statement wasn’t enough, he’d later post a video of “Mafia money” bulletproof cars. This came as Andrew wanted to blog and record his meetings with people to discuss “security” for casino locations.
(It was at this part in my thread where I grew a tad bit frustrated. I felt like the mafia stuff got buried and I should’ve featured it more prominently.)
We can say for a matter of fact that Andrew Tate linked up with the Romanian mafia because he himself said: “EVERYONE wants to be friends with the champion fighter[.] Its why the Romanian mafia let me run my casinos here, its why the billionaires at Bugatti events will do business with me[.]”
Really the answers about who the Tate brothers are was broadcasted out in the open by the duo themselves:
"This is where I disagree with some influencers who are all about saving. I’m all about power. Why be rich if you can’t break speed limits and live above the law? Why have money if you’re still a nobody in the eyes of the government? Power > cash."
This is all aside from the fact that Andrew takes pride in profiting off of “the vices of the weak.” Yet I guess it’s unsurprising that right-wing talking heads glorified it, using pretzel-twisted logic.
If Andrew Tate had to get involved with Romanian mafia to open his casinos + and members of the war room group got involved with ownership equity = then that means Andrew Tate’s war room itself had links to organized crime.
Joules “Sartorial Shooter” Sullivan quickly emerged as one of the Tate brothers biggest advocates after their arrest. He called himself a “friend” of theirs and claimed to have no financial ties when I asked him about his motivations.
I can now elaborate on this a bit and add that Andrew met Sullivan in late 2019 during some excursion to Ukraine. Sartorial Shooter’s background in the Australian army included time in Yemen.
In March 2020, Andrew Tate confessed to buying $400,000 of Abbott stock because someone gave him insider knowledge. This was around the onset of the COVID pandemic reaching the United States. Sartorial Shooter’s job during the same stretch of time was working as a global security director for Abbott.
What is insider trading? "Trading in a public company's stock by someone who has non-public, material information about the company" according to Investopedia. In my initial Twitter thread discussing the Abbott situation, I simply asked who tipped A.T. off? I kept it strictly at that for obvious reasons.
Andrew Tate himself credited his war room group for helping him stay “in the know.”
(Note: Joules “Sartorial Shooter” Sullivan left Twitter after I pointed out the Abbott situation. To my knowledge, nothing has ever been confirmed/denied about the matter. If there was a response it’d have been shoved into my face.)
My personal opinion is that Alex Jones and Paul Joseph Watson liked Andrew’s lifestyle and wanted to live through him. But now it’s also a sunk-cost fallacy situation where both of them got too deep in their support and can’t back out now.
(At the time of first pointing this out, all I was aware of was both Watson and Jones publicly defending Andrew Tate on an episode of Info Wars. The war room chat logs solidify they’re both pals with him behind the scenes, and the previously reported efforts by Jones to get Andrew Tate on the Joe Rogan show is confirmed.)
Why would Andrew Tate stoop to insider trading? It looks like he had a moment of weakness at the onset of the Coronavirus and wanted to maintain his cash flow.
“Since the shutdown, my 4 main income streams have all been affected. The Casinos have closed until further notice, this was a big blow - after 2million USD of investment.”
The two million dollar line is worth highlighting since, after all, the investigation into the Tate brothers involves their business ventures. Citing dollar amounts helps establish the sense of scale to the whole thing.
You can smell the desperation as, by the time June 2020 rolled around, Andrew Tate rejoiced that his casinos could reopen again. But all in all I’m not making an assumption when saying that COVID was his pivot point.
Since Andrew Tate tweeted his every last thought he flat-out stated by the end of that year: “Corona scam has accelerated my life plans for security You cant take my money you cant pin me down you cant block my travel you cant ban me driving you cant do ANY of that because I am on TOO MANY GRIDS to ban.“
Yet he still couldn’t bring himself to quit the camgirl business.
"Every single war room soldier is given the contacts required to get 5 drivers licences and 5 passports upon joining," Andrew promised to people.
1.) Why would anyone need that? Normal people don’t need five passports. Most struggle with bothering to get one. 2.) Why is the whole multiple identities stuff actually a thing?
Building off of the passport section from earlier, Andrew Tate says:
"I put together a program that allowed EVERY member to get FULLY LEGAL drivers licences from 4 different countries. IDPS and passports also."
Here’s a chat log from a war room source showing that this was a thing. But, “bribes included” doesn’t sound legal whatsoever.
One of the questions I had when beginning my look into the Tate brothers was trying to figure out how Mike Cernovich fit into the picture. From the OfWudan tweets alone I could discern how Cerno was one of the main links between the US politics scene and Tate’s ventures in Romania. At this point in time of course, Mike was the more popular one, so Andrew being weirdly smitten with Cerno actually makes sense. (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8)
Something that fills in a lot of the financial blanks of the Tate brothers is crypto. Not only did they prefer it over regular cash to make it harder to track their finances, they also traded various currencies throughout the past few years.
As an example of how much of an impact this made: Andrew Tate said he made 6.5 million dollars off of the SHIB meme token.
A.T. described his war room trading academy in June 2019:
“The war room trading academy is a COPY AND PASTE profit system. You are notified of our trades in real time. What to buy. How much. When to sell. We do all analysis and calculate how to make money and you simply follow our instructions. A 5 year old could do it.”
Also keep in mind that it wasn’t just Andrew or Tristan profiting off of this. The larger appeal to it was that war room members could get rich themselves, if they followed A.T.’s advice to buy coins like chainlink.
Here’s a shorthand list of other crypto trades that Andrew Tate publicly took credit for calling in advance:
PancakeSwap ($CAKE): A.T. claimed that he told the war room to get on PancakeSwap’s CAKE in September 2020. In December 2021 he reminded people that he publicly advertised CAKE when it was at $1, and that if they listened to his advice they’d have made as much as 42 times their investment if they sold at CAKE’s peak a year later.
Solana ($SOL): A.T. said he told his followers to invest in SOL back in February 2021 when it was at $9 dollars and made note that his call was paying off as SOL reached its first peak of $209.47 on September 8th, 2021. Andrew enjoyed a second wind of bragging rights for SOL in November 2021, advertising the success of his war room as SOL reached its peak value of $249.98.
None of the above things are in of themselves inherently “bad.” Who wouldn’t want to make bank on massive returns like all of the above? Besides rapidly adding millions of dollars of wealth for the brothers, it was also fantastic advertising to draw new people into the war room.
The crypto pump-and-dump scheme I have since uncovered in the war room chatlogs, however, casts doubt on other trades.
So while the casino plans might’ve temporarily fallen through, Andrew Tate still had a dramatic acceleration of wealth riding the crypto markets. But on a deeper level beyond the various facets of the Tate brother’s revenue streams, is the building of a network in of itself. (1, 2, 3, 4)
It’s worth mentioning at this point that the financial incentive of the war room / Hustler’s University is more than enough justification for people to defend the Tate brothers.
As for the structure of the Tate war room’s various Telegram channels, he describes it as thus:
“Some war room members are in the great hall. Some are in 3 rooms. Some 5. Some in elite rooms. Or specialised rooms. Some in rooms only for those who attended events. 4 secret rooms. Invite only. I’m in every room. The war room is DEEP.”
(Note: based in the war room chat logs I’ve read, Andrew’s description of it is KIND OF right. At least at the time of that tweet in September 2019. In the years since, rooms were added and removed.)
There was one time that A.T. brought up the possibility that his war room group had a communal bank account (using Euros not USD) for making investments and funding events. According to Andrew, his war room has a collective net worth of over $1 billion USD.
As the years went by since its establishment, the fee to get in the war room regularly increased. It apparently started in September 2019.
“I’ve made over 400k with the war room trading academy. Everyone involved is making a lot of money. For this reason I am raising the price. 2997 instead of 1997. You have 24 hours to join at original price.”
(Note: to access special areas of Tate’s war room Telegram channels, you had to buy the courses associated with them. E.g. if you wanted to join the webcam room you needed to buy Andrew’s course on the subject.)
A tweet from Andrew in October 2020 floated the idea of raising the price to 3000 pounds (~ $3683.85 USD) per year. Yet, YouTuber Jordan Welch called it a $5000 cult in September 2022 which suggests that the entry cost had since been raised.
How did that impact A.T.’s personal coffers? In October 2021 he claimed the war room + all of his other companies brought in $45 million USD a year.
Another way to describe the war room is it being the closest thing that Andrew had to “friends.” What better way for him to build a network of connections, after all? He set up the war room in a way that allowed him to pick and choose the most successful people to hang out with. It was his outlet to socialize. But he could simultaneously tout its influence.
Imagine sitting in a hotel conference room with a bunch of other dudes, and having someone like Andrew Tate come up to speak to you all. In such a setting it’s safe to say that the environment enticed the audience to soak in every last word A.T. had to say.
He told the war room guys he was going to be their ol’ buddy and pal. Andrew proved it on at least one occasion by spoiling the guys with “THE FINEST STEAKS. THE BEST TOBACCO.”
“MY WAR ROOM SOLDIERS ARE MEETING TONIGHT IN LA BUT I AM ON A BUSINESS TRIP TO CYPRUS. I FEEL LIKE SURPRISING MY TEAM. In the war room you get a millionaire that’s GOT YOUR BACK.”
The accruement of power from the perspective of the Tate brothers side of things was contrasted by the advertised pitch of being a male self-improvement group to prospective outsiders. After all. Why not? The war room emphasized things like fitness, including that time Ivan Throne ran a “ninja training” program in Amsterdam.
The Tate war room is an international operation, seeing as they’ve had meetings and events in a variety of places: DC, Romania, Los Angeles, Colorado, London, Ukraine, and Miami to name a few locations from what I could find.
Andrew and Tristan once took a picture in from of Romania’s parliament, claiming he was connected on the highest levels of politics in his country. Enough that he could host a war room summit inside the building.
Did that actually happen though? Maybe. Maybe not. It’s certainly one of those times where A.T. tries to intentionally being vague and mysterious to hype himself up.
The ultimate contradiction of Andrew Tate’s war room is that the group depends on A.T. as its leader.
“In the war room we teach you to conquer THE WORLD. Income grows EVERY MONTH. It’s never passive never the same. Grow or DIE. There is a reason I flaunt what NO OTHER twitter guy can. I have it. They don’t. I’m the boss. The smartest biggest strongest richest.”
What does it say for male self-improvement as a discipline if the whole operation falls apart while the brothers rot in prison? What does it say for the values taught if they come from a thought leader who has fundamentally flawed ideas laid out for the world to see during the investigation and potential trial ahead?
This motivation provides context for the public relations moves attempted by Andrew/Tristan Tate from prison.
You have to think of the war room through the lens of the “James Bond” fantasy. Seriously. When it comes to the Tate brothers, the fictional 007 is oftentimes brought up as the standard.
This means no girls allowed. In one tweet on the subject, Andrew says he can’t even rely on his own mother. It’s only Tristan and his war room boys that he can count on. Women are seen as a reward. A prize. Men are supposed to join the war room to learn how to woo them properly.
Andrew even says he texts his exes every Sunday to emotionally mess with them, screenshots that, and sends it to the war room so they can all take notes on how to copy him.
Even early on, Andrew Tate fantasized about his war room group becoming some kind of elite army of soldiers. Such language was sometimes a part of his lingo when describing the group members.
By October 2021, however, there was an occasion where that fantasy played out.
“Anybody who’s on the streets of Kiev tonight - Over 50 war room soldiers will be conducting a protection and counter surveillance operation for two female principles. If you believe you spot one of my men while they’re working, DM me a picture for a cash reward.”
It was described as a test for war room members to see if they had the finesse to become full time operators for the group. The scenario had dozens of men following around two of Andrew Tate’s “females” and tracking their movements for a whole evening.
There's background in Andrew Tate's old Twitter account about when he began shifting his operations to Dubai, despite it being more expensive. He praised the zero-tax policy, alongside the opulence of the area, when setting up shop there.
“I tear through about 1M a year in Romania on entertainment. Restaurants and bottle shows and I’m A list famous. Legit in the news every 10 mins. MY east Europe is better than the dorks version of EE. I’m a superior man. However to do the same in Dubai? 15M.”
The UAE came off as the preferable option to Andrew as the European Union was still floundering to deal with their pandemic policies. “No lockdowns. Beautiful women and sunshine. I’ve tripled what I pay myself weekly and am flying over 4 super cars. Mashallah.”
Sex work was also still a thing there, after all.
As 2021 rolled on, A.T. grew comfortable in Dubai as he had war room people in the area to help him out. In December of that year, Andrew announced he put a deposit of 9,750,000 AED (roughly ~~$$2,655,000 USD) on a private villa in Dubai. It represented a large formal commitment to setting up operations in a place away from Romania.
“I have decided to buy a place in Dubai because I will import my Bugatti to Dubai from the Munich dealer and keep her on a Dubai number plate. UAE has the most comprehensive insurance solutions for cars of this value, making it worth the effort of having her Dubai registered.”
He thanked the Tate War Room for help making it all possible.
As Andrew Tate began dabbling in Dubai, he tried transferring $120,000 USD there. Transferwise shut down his account for three weeks after it got flagged to “prove I wasn’t funding some kinda terrorising.”
My first interaction with Andrew Tate came in January 2022. He wanted me to "bury" Jack Murphy, who had created a competitor to Tate's war room. I now understand his motive was to consolidate power. Quash competition.
I am including this tweet chain because it shows the political ambitions that Andrew Tate had in mind in terms of his professional networking. Whatever those plans might have been, with whomever.
The claim that Andrew Tate moved away from camgirls is a lie. What follows is evidence showing he regularly collected money from these ladies, and that he used sex as a form of control over them.
The money transfer from camgirls to Andrew Tate happened every Monday morning. (and in the case of the girl in this particular example she made “9328” that week). On average (pre-COVID), A.T estimated he makes anywhere from $30k to $50k per month. A separate screenshot shows that the money from the camgirls comes to him through an app called Revolut.
“Sex became a necessity. Women want sex WAY more than men. Men, If you dont find this to be true? Youre bad in bed. If youre good - they can never get enough. The amount of sex a girl got from me was directly linked to how much money she made me[.] My dick isnt free”
It’s worth adding that the 2020 COVID lockdowns accelerated demand for camgirls. Here’s what Tate revealed in June of that year:
“As the lockdown comes to a close. My team of girls (8 on only fans and 4 on webcam also) had a record month generating 775,000 dollars. 100% profit I’ll pay the girls about 150k in wages/presents and keep the rest.” ANY MAN can do this.”
This is just one revenue stream though. In another tweet A.T. estimated he made anywhere from 1 to 1.5 million USD and had 15 women (12 camgirls + 3 “main” girls) working with/for him.
One of the basic questions asked by Romanian authorities is finding out where Andrew and Tristan Tate’s money came from in the first place. On the OfWudan Twitter account, A.T. told the world “women made me rich. Gambling will make me richer. Vices ALWAYS PAY.”
Another big priority for the investigation is establishing that the Tate brothers used the loverboy method in order to lure women into their camgirl business.
These are Andrew’s own words: “I will have sex with a woman a few times for free. Proof of goods. Thereafter she either 1) gives me absolute control of her life and complies absolutely. 2) works for me on webcam and makes me money. I have zero interest in sex for sex sake. It’s a tool I use.”
Some of you can’t read too good. So I’ll repeat the important part. “I have zero interest in sex for sex sake. It’s a tool I use.”
Think about the following Andrew Tate quote, with the current sex trafficking allegations in mind: "My cars are like my women. I use, abuse and demand absolute performance and one day I sacrifice them."
He laid out the loverboy method out in the open. “These guys try and get sex. I USE SEX to progress.”
A.T. first has to sleep with the women he takes on dates. He lost count of how many girls he fucked once it was over the 400 milestone. It ain’t just a loose estimate either. In May 2020, Andrew and Tristan sat down and made actual lists of the women they remembered screwing. A.T.’s memory could recall as many as 460.
It’s out of this pool of 460 that Andrew finds girls to lure into the webcam world. A.T. is a hands-on manager who reads emails from the lonely men who send “his” girls money amounts that can reach upwards of $15,000 USD.
“My worst performing only fans girl is a moron who doesn’t listen. She literally makes no money and ignores every instruction. But it’s always fun to make fun of humourless Americans.”
Andrew Tate says he needs to have sex with all 18 of the camgirls to keep them “happy. Happy girls earn more. I need money.” When it comes to trying to deny his current situation from prison? Statements like that one paint his business operation into a corner.
Now think about this quote too: “I keep all my women. They are loyal to me. But I basically never ever want to see them. I want them like I want my world title belts. I worked hard to get them. Everyone wishes they had them. [They’re] pretty to look at but I leave them in the house and don’t talk to them.”
He was apparently connected with the mafia back during his London days, too. In March 2015 he and his brother opened up an office in Ukraine and had to get permission from the local gangs to do so. A young Andrew Tate justifies fucking multiple women/doing whatever he wants, and says anyone who disagrees has been "conditioned by society."
Andrew has questionable acquaintances as well, beyond the fact that the Tate brothers themselves are a part of this international underworld. He once commented that “everyone knew” a former mayor got involved with trafficking Romanian to Madagascar.
"Some 10/10 Romanian girl. Hooker. Drives a Lamborghini. I know her pimp. Friend of mine. She doesn’t even fuck men. Gives them coke and drink. Gets them out of it. Takes the cash."
It shouldn’t shock anyone that the guy who publicly admitted to having “girls on a billionaires boat in Monaco coming back and giving all the money to me” is being investigated for human trafficking.
On a related note: even if Andrew Tate didn’t hang out with this Instagram “meet and fuck” party club of influencers? I think the fact alone that such a thing exists made it worth mentioning.
Andrew brags that he got invited because he believes he has superior genetics and that further shows his hubris. But by now that’s a given.
“One man said “I’ll join the war room if you teach me the trick to get girls to tattoo your name” 🤷♂️🤷♂️ Ta daaaaa. I create monsters lol. If girls don’t tattoo your name you know NOTHING about girls. Come learn from the BEST.”
As mentioned in part 2 of this series, Tristan Tate talked about doing the same tattoo scheme as his brother.
In April 2019, Andrew Tate tweeted out a ledger of payments he made to “affilitates and partners.” Over time this would become the Hustlers University program that the Tate brothers used to entice teenagers to advertise on their behalf.
Here’s the pitch video Tate’s people put out back then and it amounted to a simple link shortener / referral link design.
But by January 2023, everything evolved into the sophisticated “Hustlers University” idea that served as Andrew Tate’s personal army while he was incapacitated in prison. The Center for Countering Digital Hate found over 4500 bot accounts dedicated to being his public relations arm.
But the larger point being that “support” for the Tate brothers has anything but so-called grassroots motives.
Now. This next tweet might seem like a petty inclusion by me at a glance. But that’s also why I included it, to show how far beyond the usual “cancel culture” routine this whole story goes.
It’s more than looking at a single Andrew Tate tweet and assuming everything bad there is to assume from its implications.
Georgiana Nagel is Andrew’s assistant, and he says that she has gone along with helping with whatever he needed. “Year ago I msgd her saying we needed help with a body and she said “ok 15mins I’m coming” Romanian women don’t play. Money first.”
“Not many people know ive had the same female assistant for 6 years. She’s straight gangsta. I’ve had her kick cam girls out in the freezing cold. FREEZING RAIN. 4am. Tears and suitcases. There’s none of this “female” team bullshit. Any bitch can die. She obeys the boss.”
I tried looking on Google. But it doesn’t seem like “Any bitch can die. She obeys the boss” and “kick cam girls out in the freezing cold” are song lyrics or anything like that.
Andrew also said Georgiana was some kind of Romanian witch who could cast spells. (This sort of rhetoric being common when we consider the Iggy Semmelweis aspect of this whole thing.)
It came as a shock to the general public that Andrew Tate was running this entire “camgirl” “PHD” course scheme for as long as he did. The reason some of Andrew’s most outrageous teachings stayed hidden was because it was paywalled.
People try and compare Andrew Tate to Jordan Peterson with to the whole “role model” thing. But what’s there for boys to aspire to when it comes to the Tate brothers? Meaningless sex and thinking you’re better than everyone else? Exploit the state and flee the country if you get into too much debt?
The truth is that Andrew Tate’s career has been about manipulating the public to serve him. He’s using his fans. He doesn’t actually give a shit about their well-being or the collective good or any of that.
"You can not exist within the realms of the law happily," is ironic advice from A.T. seeing that he’s now in prison. But it’s not a surprise whatsoever to see the law catch up to him, seeing that he believes “every high level banker, politician and businessman breaks the laws. The laws are simply designed to control the MASSES, if you’re not one of the masses, the laws simply do not apply.”
What’s the easiest way to describe Vivian? She was the Ghislaine Maxwell to Andrew Tate’s camgirl business. Despite her public protests to Andrew Tate’s innocence these days, Vivian was perfectly aware of what went on behind the scenes.
(Note: I have more than enough material in the Andrew Tate chatlogs about the extent of Vivian/Irina’s involvement in the camgirl side of the business.)
Even when it came to the Big Brother debacle, Andrew and Vivian played it up for the press. They labeled her an “ex-girlfriend” despite the reality of their relationship being ongoing. The two of them mocked the concerns surrounding domestic violence.
Vivian was Andrew Tate’s main girlfriend for (a majority of) the past several years. She was there in Romania on day one when the brothers set up their camgirl operation. It’s not entirely clear what the situation between her and A.T. is now because in January 2020 he said Vivian “moved back to London and got her old job back.”
As far as “mains” go, A.T. at one point also said he had three of them. But in that context he probably meant running his business. Yet this is Andrew Tate we’re talking about. So sex is business.
By November 2020, Andrew claimed to be making ten million dollars a year.
“I earn 10M a year and my girl of 8 years doesn’t have a fucking clue - How - Where - When NOTHING. All she knows is I’m rich rich. In the event of war she has absolutely zero strategic intelligence against my FINANCE. Bitch leaving with ZERO”
Andrew finds the topic of money relevant when it comes to his commitment to Vivian. He brings up the fact that the two of them met when he was broke.
But, as with all the women in his life, Andrew put Vivian to work as well. Both in camming and as a glorified assistant.
The situation, summarized:
“If you satisfy a woman sexually. You can cheat as much as you want. She might cry and scream a little. But she will stay loyal and go nowhere. Trust me.”
A.T. believes that he can fuck and knock-up whatever chick he wants. The fact that wives get half the stuff when divorcing is the biggest turn-off for Andrew. It’s not a huge surprise that someone who sleeps with hundreds of women sees marriage as a redundancy.
But it’s worth bringing up here as it plays into his general ideology:
“The average “man” is a females eunuch. Restricting use of his own cock to please his master. Ignoring masculine imperative, or hiding them in shadows. “A real mans loyal” Reciting his master. Real men endlessly copulate [and] impregnate uninterested in female complaints.”
This attitude towards relationships being what Andrew sells to young men in his courses: women have to commit to absolute monogamy with no hint of deviating from that path, while men have to cheat in order to drum up loyalty from their “main” female partner.
A.T. argues that what he does is the most natural thing in the world.
The way that Andrew Tate treats the women in his own life is correlated with his general attitudes toward them. He believes that women are simple creatures who are only capable of absolute love or total hate for men.
Other revealing insights include:
(4:45 AM · Nov 12, 2019) “‘I don’t wanna live with you and all your girls. Can’t we live alone?’ Bitch. You jumped on a one way train to something bigger than you the second you sucked this dick.”
(11:46 AM · Mar 28, 2020) “I don’t negotiate. Never have. Never will. My reply is always the same single word. ‘Tate please can we go here instead?’ ****NEGATIVE**** Comply. Obey. Or goodbye, good day.”
(9:31 AM · Jul 11, 2020) “‘Oh but what would him and the Russian woman talk about? What about chemistry?’ TALK? LOL. FUCK. Women are pleasing to be around. Give sex and kids. Intellectual convo comes from your homies. Strong Male team. Let the female do sex kids and back rubs. No more.”
As an aside: I looked up infinitesimally to see if it’s an actual word. It is. But funny enough, Andrew Tate’s intended usage of it is completely and utterly wrong.
Yet some right-wing pundits and talking heads want to tell you that Andrew Tate is something worth praising. It’s humorous to me that people like Tucker Carlson applaud a man who literally believes that he can fuck his way through any woman’s potential political differences.
"Absolute fact. If your dick games right her entire world views matches yours instantly. Ill fuck a liberal into a hardcore tradcon. Have her screaming “NO ABORTIONS” as I cum in her."
A gentleman and a scholar.
It's not like Andrew Tate kept his behaviors private. Here are various examples of the girls he manipulated, messed around, and broke up with.
Girl 1: Andrew Tate booted a girl from his house because she liked an Instagram picture of some guy. “Of course she’s super hot - but I operate at a level you men can’t fathom. ABSOLUTE loyalty.”
Girl 2: A.T. cut ties with this lady because she called Tristan weird.
Girl 3: An English girl that Andrew had sex with when he was 17 sends him a message on Facebook messenger asking for money and work. Instead of helping the lass who ended up flat broke and having to raise kids, he publicly mocks how her life turned out.
The common theme is pettiness.
The ridiculousness of some of Andrew Tate’s language briefly left me wondering why this is worth anyone’s time at all. But then I remember that society went crazy enough that there’s an audience of “students” who take everyone A.T. says seriously. They take it as literal knowledge of how to live and try and imitate it.
Some might question the relevancy of bringing up Andrew Tate’s old Twitter account. But seeing as how his lawyer is now trying to say A.T. and Tristan were playing characters the whole time, these tweets are a gold mine of proof to the contrary. (1, 2, 3, 4)
Before having access to Tate’s war room chat logs, I had already argued that Andrew and Tristan can’t be “playing characters” if what they’re saying and doing is taught in their various courses. What the brothers espouse is given as instruction to others about how to live their lives.
Andrew Tate is not playing a character because what he tweeted publicly is exactly the same type of style as to what he says in the war room chat logs. The distinction being that there are things said in the private setting of the war room that he’d definitely not tweet out publicly, which nonetheless fit Tate’s persona all the same.
In simpler terms: the Telegram chats back up Andrew Tate’s tweets and vice versa.
On developments of the case itself
Andrew cried out that there was “no justice in Romania” and that there was no evidence in the case against him.
A.T. said this despite the litany of incriminating tweets I explored in-depth in the previous section. In addition, the section following this one goes over Tate war room chat log leaks that further establish suspicious and illegal activities.
"The story you should be covering is what evidence is there against Mr. Tate. There is none. That should be the story on the news," Tristan told journalists in late January.
No evidence? These Romanian court documents state otherwise. Multiple BBC reports add how camgirls working for the Tate brothers were threatened with violence.
In one article, they discuss a leaked court document that says the Tate brothers forced at least one victim “to earn a minimum of €10,000 a month and threatening to beat her if she didn't perform her job.” It’s also said that debts and fines were imposed on women who didn’t consistently post on OnlyFans, and that camgirls weren’t allowed to leave Tate properties without being accompanied by an escort.
These things were witnessed by one of Andrew Tate’s exes. “Sophie” (not her real name) came forward to the BBC and told her story.
"He was sort of luring me into believing that he was somebody that I could trust and someone that genuinely wanted to build a connection with me," she told the outlet about A.T.’s usage of the loverboy method. What started with wanting to be his girlfriend turned into him demanding work from her.
"But he was always reminding me that the option was there and that progressed into, 'If you love me, you would do it. If you care about me, you would do it… we can make all this money'. And over time, just chipping away at me, eventually he led me to think, 'Maybe he's right, maybe I should be doing it'."
Sophie said she earned £800 for six hours of work. As things progressed, she said A.T. became more sexually violent.
Another report of sexual violence had come out late last year.
It surfaced that this wasn’t the first time in recent years where Andrew Tate faced this level of scrutiny. In June 2020 there was at least one story about a past alleged drug trafficking and murder case. A claim that Andrew simply shrugged off at the time, when asked by a reporter.
(Bonus video: here’s A.T. listening to his own police interview when they had arrested him on assault charges.)
In Andrew Tate’s tweets from the OfWudan account, he often alluded to the fact that somehow he was given special treatment from local police. “Called in a favour and I’m going to see the police chief tomorrow,” Tate mentioned in early 2021.
One of the possible sources of this connection is Luana Radu, the 32-year-old cop turned camgirl.
The Voluntari Police had to launch an internal investigation after it was revealed several of their members buried four complaints related to the Tate brothers, Georgiana Naghel, and Luana Radu. A former camgirl had come forward about having to work 12 hours a day with only some five-minute breaks throughout. The mental stress was too much for her to handle.
It’s alleged that on October 28th, 2021, the woman came to police and said Georgiana Naghel beat her and forced her to raise her arm, which was torturous given the “breast augmentation operation” that she had recently undergone.
“The woman filed a complaint and left, and the next day she would have returned to the headquarters of the Volunteer Police, where the case officer would have tried to get her to drop the charges, citing the fact that Luana Radu is a former police officer and ‘would not do such a thing.’”
It’s mentioned that one of the policemen attended the academy alongside Launa Radu. The closest thing to an explanation for the story is that she and Naghel demanded the camgirl repay for the costs of the breast surgery.
A separate report on the situation revealed that two of the complaints were instead registered as petitions by Volturati police. For something that happened as far back as October 2021, it took until January 2023 for these complaints to be sent to DIICOT. Other complaints reportedly underwent this withholdment scheme.
The latest on Launa Radu is that DIICOT prosecutors uncovered evidence that the former policewoman tried accessing internal files related to the Tate brothers case. Prosecutors said that Radu combed Ministry of Internal Affairs files from April until December 2022, trying to figure out details like who was in charge of the investigation.
The judge brought up the possibility that Radu had insider help:
“Although the prosecutor notes with regard to Radu Alexandra Luana that following the computer searches carried out data emerged according to which the defendant, between April 2022 and December 2022, carried out investigations, including in the databases of the MAI, regarding research bodies and criminal prosecution conducting investigations in this case, the judge of rights and liberties cannot retain these claims, considering that the computer searches were carried out on the devices seized from the defendants, it being impossible for the defendant to access the database of the MAI without the support of other people.”
Andrew called himself the most “trafficked person in this case.” His story is that Georgiana Naghel is his nurse, and that he only met Luana Radu on a few occasions.
As for Vlad Obu, we learned from an ex-girlfriend of his that the guy isn’t rich at all. Instead he lives off a woman he has do OnlyFans. According to the ex, she witnessed an acquaintance of Vlad’s beat a girl because she wouldn’t get a tattoo.
“One of the friends of one of the boys she was living with at that time in the house had to go get a tattoo, she was going to be convinced to get a tattoo. It was their obsession. That girl had refused, because she already had two tattoos with the boy's portrait and name. For this thing, that evening he beat her very hard. I also started crying and another girl who was there.He told me not to get involved, to stay away, that he loves me. Let me sit and watch, why do I act like this, why do I react like this. (...) There is footage.”
Vlad’s ex also confirms that he and the Tate brothers regularly hung out.
In the afterglow of losing another appeal, at the start of February we were introduced to Andrew and Tristan’s “new” legal adviser Tina Glandian. The best way to describe her practical use is that she added some US/western representation to the media space on their behalf. What she brought to the table was amplifying the claims that Romanian authorities were violating “international human rights law” with how they were holding the brothers in prison without formal charges.
“It’s no secret that the Tate brothers are controversial public personas, but this is not about their public persona [...] this is about the violation of international human rights and the due process of law.”
(As a reminder: the justification from the Romanian courts to hold the brothers was because they had reason to believe Andrew and Tristan would flee the country if given the opportunity. Further, the prosecution highlighted how the brothers had the means of psychologically manipulating their victims.)
The utility of Tina Glandian fits given her background defending the likes of Chris Brown, Kesha, and Jussie Smollett. Ironically, Andrew Tate previously dissed Jussie Smollett on his OfWudan Twitter account.
The Bugatti that A.T. had stored in the UAE was transferred to Romania. It was the priciest car named in this report on the matter, at a whopping 5.4 million euros. This vehicle along with all of the other cars were sent to a repossession warehouse. If the brothers are found guilty of their crimes by authorities, the cars are to be auctioned off as a means of recovering money for financial damages.
It was also mentioned that the asset inquiry was being extended to other countries including the USA, Ireland, and UK.
Authorities in Britain felt the need to debate including Andrew Tate on anti-terror watchlists. Specifically when it comes to the country’s PREVENT program and assessing the destabilizing impact that Tate’s influence was having on youngsters in UK schools.
Then came leaked WhatsApp chatlog snippets (via SpyNews) that Tate’s defenders hoisted up as the ultimate proof that Andrew and Tristan were falsely accused and somehow totally totally innocent.
The above photos portray a scenario where the American and Moldovan victims conspired from the very beginning. That, as if at the time of their conversations, they were simply waiting for the raid to happen so they could tell some kind of “sob story” to authorities about the Tates.
I published a more complete version of the chatlogs that had fuller context. They show that Emma Gabbey and Aliona were discussing “acting” in that when they were to flee Romania, they’d act like everything was fine between the Tate brothers because they were afraid for their lives.
This same plan of action was used during their final days and hours on the Tate property where they were residing. Moreover it was Emma’s parents who called the embassy, which annihilates the absurd claim from Tate's defenders that there was some kind of plan to maliciously frame the brothers.
Andrew Tate sent a cease and desist letter to the American victim and her family to try and scare them off. They threatened to sue for $300 million dollars if this demand wasn’t meant.
As described by Benjamin Bull of the National Center on Sexual Exploitation:
"They want these young ladies to climb into a hole and hide, never come forward [or] describe what they saw and what happened to them. It's clearly an effort to intimidate."
It’s unclear why the BBC said the letter was sent in December. The date on it says January 29th, 2023.
There was this one fella named Sully who parroted that, anyway. Stuff like that the C&D was sent out before the Tate brothers got arrested. He accused of doing “not journalism” so I did the journalism of posting pages from the letter to correct him. :^)
(Also while writing this I just realized Sully falsely said that the Tate brothers believed the investigation was “over” between April and December 2022. The Luana Radu aspect of this story debunks that claim as she allegedly dug into police files to snoop on the investigation.)
It later came out that Andrew Tate arranged for this cease and desist letter against the American victim, from his own prison cell. He saw E.G. as the person who started this whole ordeal. So if he could force her to back down, then A.T. could spin a media narrative in his favor.
ANDREW TATE: “If we have the full surrender of E., the full surrender must reach the media, so that the media can say that the girl who started it says it's a lie. It's not about the court, the court is corrupt, it's about going to the news with this letter and then reading it out loud. Then let it be: Egg! This is the girl who started it, she lied.
ANDREW TATE: And the Romanian strings will love that shit.
ANDREW TATE: And the strings of the world as well. that you have to make sure her submission includes all the angles that it's well written from head to toe and everything.
L.: Yes, for the media all, I understand
ANDREW TATE: All right. So E. will start getting his letters, someone has to talk to C. and A. get yesterday's news bulletin, send this to the US attorney make him go hard, hard, hard, because the Romanian strings are changing their minds due to American pressure. That you need... you get momentum and we slow down and wait without making enough of an explosion to get the hell out of here.”
In another snippet of this conversation, “L.” is identified as Tate’s cousin Luke.
Throughout February, targeted attacks against the American victim manifested both online and in real life. It even resulted with unknown individuals showing up unsolicited to the house of her family members.
The guy in the photo below knocked on the front door multiple times and hung around outside for fifteen minutes, taking pictures of the house itself.
We also heard A.T.’s side of things when it came to describing Aliona’s position in all of this. In a testimony to the court, Andrew said he met the Moldovan woman at a strip club in London and had a problem with drugs. He says she asked him to go to Romania. A.T. adds that he had the Moldovan stay with Georgiana Naghel because of her purported drug problem.
Andrew said he met with Aliona three times a week. He claims she wanted to be famous on TikTok, and asked him for “200,000 euros to buy a house for her sister in Chisnau,” beyond separate claims that the Moldovan girl stole money from A.T. (around 10,000 euros).
On the other side of the story, Reuters obtained text transcripts. "You must understand that once you are mine, you will be mine forever," Andrew Tate reportedly told the Moldovan woman in February 2022. The report claims he wanted her to come to Romania, promising “nothing bad will happen.”
In the case of the Moldovan woman’s situation, there' are allegations of rape. Tate’s lawyer denies it and says all sex was consensual.
The Reuters report adds that OnlyFans has closely monitored all activity associated with the Tate brothers and that the platform has since taken “proactive measures” to stop him from posting content or making money from the site.
In total, the Moldovan was associated with the Tates from November 2021 to April 2022.
A separate news piece gave further background:
“For two weeks, the injured person AU lived with the said PI, ABG and AMA, and during this time, the defendant Naghel Georgiana was nice to her, she was the one who took care of the shopping and everything needed for the house. The aggrieved person also stated to AU that PI and AB told him that they were doing OnlyFans and that they were giving half of the earnings they were making to the two brothers Andrew and Tristan Tate. At the same time, the one who was in charge of collecting the sums of money obtained from the posting of various images and videos on the OnlyFans website was the defendant Naghel Georgiana, who later gave the sums of money to the defendants Andrew and Tristan Tate, and the one who was in charge of managing the accounts on the platform socialization was the defendant Radu Luana.”
Short version: the Moldovan woman’s testimony places Georgiana Naghel and Radu Luana at the scene of Andrew Tate’s camgirl operation.
According to the same report, the American victim first met Tristan Tate through online forums and then hooked up in Miami in the final months of 2021. By April 2022, T.T. convinced her to go to Romania. There she entered the controlling situation of being sexually exploited and controlled. Although E.G. was only there for a short time, she met the other camgirls.
A small detail. But it's worth mentioning that throughout this whole process, Andrew and Tristan were sometimes hauled out of prison and taken to DIICOT whenever prosecutors sought to review their computer devices.
In another late February appeal attempt, the judges were not swayed by appeals to emotion or Twitter followers. The court even went as far as acknowledging the things that the Tate brothers said on the internet were actually put into practice.
“The defenses of the defendants' lawyers that what the defendants said via the Internet do not reflect reality cannot be accepted. On the contrary, these claims, as shown above, were actually put into practice.”
Tristan Tate brought up the fact that he had a son. The judges responded by saying a lot of criminals have children of their own. Separately, the courts doubled down (with evidence) that the Tate brothers needed to stay in custody because otherwise they’d flee to Dubai.
The folks over at VICE acquired internal chat logs from Hustler’s University that revealed the Tate brothers cousin Luke tried targeting KSI. It occurred in August 2022 when the Tate brothers was unceremoniously deplatformed from the Big Tech social media sites. KSI had come out in support of the decision to remove them.
Luke told Hustler’s University followers to make videos attacking KSI and demanding that he be cancelled. Hustler’s University is of course the personal army for the Tate brothers.
A few days after the Discord bounties put out by Luke, Andrew Tate made a response video to KSI.
“I had no problem with you, I don’t fucking know you, I don’t watch your bullshit YouTube channel but when I get banned, you want to go from a fan to just instantly cowering out to the matrix? That makes you a hypocrite.”
Andrew tried to recruit two right-wing Romanian politicians to his cause from prison. He offered to prop up their careers as a form of reward if they were to come out in public support of the brothers.
“Andrew Tate: So give them that incentive, because it's true. Andrew Ford's plan is just the thing on social media, that's fine, but we need it and we need it now. It shouldn't take that long.
Andrew Tate: Also Ana, there's a guy called George Simion, he's a protester or something, he's on Facebook and he's always posting about stuff.
TA: Oh! Yes, yes, yes, I know.
Andrew Tate: Talk to him and anyone else like him who doesn't like the corruption in Romania and understand that if he helps us he will be rewarded. Understand?
TA: Yes, yes.
Andrew Tate: Talk to him and tell him this case is bullshit, they are Americans, they are making Romania look bad, DIICOT is corrupt.
TA: Also, SOSOACA, and she's also a lawyer, also fighting against COVID, you remind me of her now.
Andrew Tate: Yes, both.
Andrew Tate: Put them and tell them that: DIICOT is corrupt and this is very bad for Romania, it is very bad for the image, these guys are innocent, look... here are the victims saying they are not victims, if you take the side guys, when the guys come out they will make sure you get rewarded for telling the truth.”
It didn’t work out as A.T. had hoped. A few days later both George Simion and Diana Iovanovici publicly distanced themselves from the situation. Simion said it was up for the justice system, not politicians, to decide the case. Meanwhile, the spokesperson for Senator Iovanovici-Sosoaca said the wiretapped conversations were “lies” meant to smear her.
At the beginning of March came the scheme where Andrew Tate’s allies pushed out the half-truth that A.T. had cancer. They painted it as if it was serious and deadly enough that he needed to be cared for by a doctor in Dubai. This doctor in question turned out to be a fan of the Tate brothers and posted his meeting with them on the ol’ Instagram. Of course, after it was pointed out, the doctor deleted the post.
The medical situation was a “tracheal tumor with extension to the bronchi and lungs,” according to Gandul.
Fast forward a day after that story broke. The fake news was still traveling all around the social media world. But then it came out that Andrew Tate had his lung situation examined by specialists in Bucharest. Their conclusion was that the cells of concern were benign.
Therefore he was more than capable of standing trial. Other reporting related to the health of the brothers include claims that Andrew lost “10 kg behind bars” by the end of February, and that the conditions of the prison lifestyle made Tristan fall ill at some point.
On the discovery of War Room chat logs
While making my Twitter threads, a former war room member was gracious enough to give me a cache of Telegram chat logs. The nearly 10 GB of content was overwhelming. While I ultimately decided to turn to the mainstream media for help in investigating further, I did preview some of the material on my Twitter thread beforehand.
I started off with something simple. This is Andrew Tate bragging to the war room boys about how much money his “bottom bitch” Vivian was bringing in. In this instance, she emotionally took advantage of a guy by falsely promising she’d physically visit him.
Andrew Tate stresses the importance that using his “PHD test” is when it comes to getting girls to work for war room members. Vlad Obu (Joe Lampton) specifically calls the technique the loverboy method. Which in itself means someone sexually seduces a victim for the sake of exploiting them later on.
By prioritizing sex with women first before bringing up the webcam stuff at all, Andrew Tate’s method takes biological advantage of women through Oxytocin. It’s something released into their bodies during sexual intercourse and “it regulates not only neuroendocrine and autonomic functions related to reproduction but also prosocial behaviors (supported by its cognitive effects) and emotional responses contributing to the general phenomena of relaxation, trust, and psychological stability.”
The psychological impact of Oxytocin is that women become more susceptible to agreeing to webcam work.
Following up with the chat logs above — here we have Iggy Semmelweis guiding a Tate war room member on how to coerce (one of) their girlfriends into doing webcam sex work. The advice from Iggy is using “spells,” more commonly known as psychological manipulation, in order to groom the female being targeted in this example.
Unfortunately this is a staple of the Andrew Tate war room.
Again on the same train of thought, here we have an instance of a Tate war room member taking Andrew’s teachings to an extreme. This person set up a full-blown modeling agency which they themselves describe as being “a front for cam girl acquisition.”
Iggy had no choice but to disavow this, given the open display to so many other war room members this had. Messages were deleted and the debacle was largely covered up.
Which leads us to the contradictory explanation given by Mr. Semmelweis:
“The ‘modeling agency’ scan comes under the category ‘Sex Trafficking’ and is something we actively avoid and have ZERO to do with.”
“Have a great girl so madly in love with you that she WANTS to WebCam so the 2 of you can make ALL your dreams come true TOGETHER.”
One problem with that, Iggy! Andrew’s PHD program instructs war room members to fuck the girls first, and bring up the webcam work second. It begs the question of how little of a difference there actually is between the modeling agency scam vs. the false pretenses of love and marriage trotted out by the Tate brothers to countless women.
Vlad Obu, who goes by the name Joe Lampton, tried to copy the things Andrew and Tristan taught to the exact letter. But in doing so, he makes their gimmick glaringly too obvious.
If we were to rate skills and tact on a scale of 1 to 10: Andrew would be more of an 8, Tristan a 7, and poor ol’ Vlad Obu more of a 3 or 4.
Related to what I was saying above, here’s an instance of where Obu/Lampton’s lack of subtlety. His interactions with camgirls don't have any nuance. He told other war room members that he simply demanded a woman to tattoo his name on her. Obu/Lampton actually gave the girl in question a literal deadline.
Here’s Vlad’s advice on how he manages the women who work for him:
“Man, there is more than one way to skin a cat. [It] depends on the specific situation. In my situation with her I make her work 28 days per month, She doesn’t have any friends, She is allowed only Instagram to make money with it (no people from romania, no friends), I cheat, dont [answer] the phone for days in a row.”
Some war room members described this as abuse. Vlad replied that “sometimes you might slap her, other times you might ignore her, it depends on the situation. Sometimes you use threats. Gotta see what works.”
Obu added that after he hit one of his camgirls in the head with a keyboard, she worked for seven hours without any break.
Tommy Robinson has known Andrew Tate for several years, with the both of them having a connection to Luton in the United Kingdom. One of CensoredMen’s critiques of me was that I briefly supported Robinson several years ago, back when Tommy was being uplifted as a free speech martyr after being deplatformed from social media.
In the war room chat logs, A.T. called Tommy Robinson a hero and said that England’s treatment of him proved that Muslims get special treatment by society. Andrew called Tommy a personal friend. After Tommy got nabbed in 2019 for contempt of court charges, A.T. reached out to Donald Trump Jr. on Instagram and begged the President’s son to “save” Robinson from his situation.
Uncomfortable facts that Andrew Tate’s defenders have to contend with.
The war room chat logs confirmed what I had suspected since the beginning of my interest in this story last year.
Before this there was still at least some room for doubt. Like as in how separated war room discussions and meet-ups could’ve potentially been. Theoretically. Sadly the reality is that both Mike Cernovich and Mike Bolen are seen in these discussions as more than aware of what the Tate brothers camgirl business was.
The Tate war room chat logs reveal the fuller extent of Cernovich’s bond with Andrew and Tristan. Cerno wasn’t just some detached speaker who came around once or twice to give advice to young men. The discussions reveal that the war room was a glorified fan club for him. Members did website work and affiliate marketing on his behalf. It was also a place for Mike to sell pills. Both Iggy and Tristan Tate personally endorsed and advertised them.
The point of bringing any of this up being that Mike Cernovich didn’t explain any of this background he had with the Tate war room, in the aftermath of the news that the brothers were arrested. Something made all the more obvious given how Bobby Dino quickly realized the fuller extent of the situation and publicly condoned the brother’s past actions.
Cernovich’s lack of response to the Rolling Stone (despite all of this being revealed) speaks for itself. It’s mortifying how Mike brought in Andrew Tate’s cancerous ways into the US political scene in the first place.
But with that, we’re essentially caught up with where my Tate Twitter threads stopped.
I’m working with mainstream media investigators to put together the pieces in the rest of this story. While my Twitter is/has been great for outreach and getting the word out initially, it has run its course in terms of utility as a resource when it comes to this story (at least for my part when it came to making threads following events in the first place).
I will continue to follow whatever other stories come out from Romania and how things are transpiring there. Also of course please for the love of God I hope my Twitter account eventually gets unbanned.
But for the time being the best place to contact me is on Telegram.
I will be transferring over other Twitter threads from crabcrawler over to Substack. So stay tuned for that. Also I might just write other stuff here.