Crab Man's Tate Brothers Threads Part II
(This covers the December 2022 arrest of the Tate brothers and details released from Romanian investigators)
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In part 1 of the Tate brothers threads I went over my initial digging into their business enterprise. While it focused a lot on the camgirl side of things, the thread also explored the ideology of the Tate brothers and how the duo mentally elevated themselves above others. It wasn’t just a male or female thing either. It applied to pretty much everyone who didn’t subscribe to their beliefs.
The initial story had died down over the summer after Andrew Tate's brief "deplatforming" from social media caused enough of a distraction. Now we are learning Romanian authorities have been investigating the Tate brothers this whole time.
“On Thursday night, Romania's Directorate for Investigating Organized Crime and Terrorism issued a statement, but did not name the Tate brothers, stating that two British citizens and two Romanian citizens were suspected of being part of a human trafficking group.
The statement said officers had identified six people who were allegedly "sexually exploited" by what it called an "organised criminal group".
Police alleged the victims were "recruited" by the British citizens, who they said had misrepresented their intention to enter into a relationship with the victims - which it called "the loverboy method".
They were later forced to perform in pornographic content under threat of violence, the statement alleged.”
AFP had further details: the situation was that the Tate brothers would be held in a “pre-trial detention” while they continued their investigation. Authorities had raided five locations by this point alone.
For starters: Tristan Tate outright told at least one newspaper "it's all a big scam," referring to his and his brother's business life w/ the camgirls. Andrew Tate had Owen Benjamin deplatformed from Instagram because he was "spreading lies."
(I can relate to this censorship done by the Tate brothers.)
A War Room insider reached out to share what it was like attending the Romania meet-up in 2019. (A fun first night, mediocre seminars thereafter.) But the Tates actually forced the group to pay THEM for "restitution" when some group members got drunk on their own time.
(Chat logs I have reviewed since first learning of these claims has also indicated the possibility that this was some kind of “test” for war room members. As of now the exact outcome is unclear: did everyone pay? did everyone get their money back afterward? Etc.)
The guy threatening physical beatings (multiple times) because "a bunch of guys walked out on their tabs" is former convict, Bobby Dino. My inside source named Dino, AJA Cortes, Iggy Semmelweis and Ivan Throne as Tate's "War Room" lieutenants around the time of this incident.
A war room member also said Bobby Dino "had to put his hands on a man" at one point during this whole outing.
"The war room really is a bunch of guys who use their life savings for a chance to meet the Tates" explained my insider source. This "pay the Tate brothers $200" punishment was for everyone, collectively, even for attendees who didn't misbehave.
In the above list posted by Iggy Semmelweis, Tate War Room people on the Sept. 2019 Romania trip apparently broke rules about:
-- "fucking and/or attempting to fuck" (sexual misconduct)
-- "Not keeping your girl in check"
There were a few who realized that this "collective punishment" bullshit in Andrew Tate's war room was WEIRD. "is the goal of the group really to turn everyone into an indoctrinated follower?" asked one guy.
For the heck of it, I should link the Greta tweet that essentially revived the Tate story. It currently has 3.7 million likes. (As a reminder: in the initial ruckus of the December arrest of the Tate brothers, Andrew’s video response to Greta was pointed to by many as a tipping point of the situation. In some shape or form. However, the rumor that Romanian authorities used a pizza box to catch Andrew and Tristan was quickly debunked.)
A natural reaction for the public in this situation was to try and connect the dots when it came to the politics at play. Independent journalist Michael Tracey tried linking things back to Bush's "The Victims of Trafficking and Violence Protection Act of 2000."
My biggest problem with Michael Tracey’s thread is that illiterate people tried using it as a way to defend the Tate brothers. “There are no victims in Romania according to the US… This looks like a CIA op,” said some random reply.
This was completely false. But their train of thought leading them to say that was because Tracey’s thread started by talking about Romania and US partnership from 2020 to 2022, only to then leap back to an effort by the Bush administration in the 2000s.
Two completely different things.
Thankfully (beyond Michael Tracey’s thread), a more feasible theory about the Romanian political landscape came out. An account named "FischerKing" speculated that Romania's efforts at cracking down against the Tate brothers could be linked to the country's efforts to join the European Union's Schengen zone. He says Austria is against Romania's inclusion and lists human trafficking concerns as one of the reasons why.
Romanian MPs voted to remove the statue of limitations for human trafficking in June 2021.
As for human trafficking statistics, an attached report to the story says: "Between 2016 and 2019, the period covered by the GRETA evaluation, the total number of victims identified was 2,613, of whom 74 per cent were female and nearly 50 per cent were children."
"A European Commission report published last October concluded that Romania had the highest rate of human trafficked victims per million inhabitants in the EU, at 74 per million, followed by Hungary, at 64, and Bulgaria, at 40. Most of the victims were women who were subjected to sexual exploitation.
Although far fewer than the number of Romanian victims trafficked to Western Europe, 19 foreign victims of trafficking were identified during the reporting period, originating from Hungary, Italy, Moldova, Portugal, Turkey, Latvia and Germany."
When it comes to the legalities of the Tate brothers situation, people in the west have often wrongly assumed a one-to-one copy of USA laws exist in Romania. Nonetheless, the exacts of the laws are still an element at play.
I’m not going to pretend to be an expert whatsoever on Romanian law. The closest I can do is link to a copy of Romania’s age of consent laws that were last updated in October 2020. The relevant portions being with regards to people in positions of power leveraging their position to coerce minors into sexual acts.
Whether or not Andrew and Tristan Tate are guilty of the above is best left for the courts to decide.
But the question was raised, especially with regards to stories like “‘SHE’S ONLY 16 BRO!’ Tate brothers ‘bragged about having sex with teen minors and stealing cam girls’ passports so they couldn’t escape’” from The Sun in the UK.
“The witness who visited the Tates in Bucharest attended a party at their home in November of 2020, where Tristan introduced him to a 16-year-old girl who he boasted about having a sexual relationship with.
They said: “We were all intermingling with each other, and Tristan brought over this girl who was obviously young.
“He said, ‘Guess how old she is?’
“Not wanting to be rude, I say, ‘I don’t know...18?’
“He leaned in with a smile on his face, like he was sharing a secret, and said, “She’s 16, bro!””
In a Daily Mail report that came out around the time of the brothers arrest, Romanian judicial sources said the abuses by the Tate brothers were “physical and emotional. They were not allowed to leave the house without security and they were watched day and night.” Adding that “they were essentially kept under house arrest 24/7 like prisoners. They were deprived of their freedom and followed everywhere.”
People in the politics space distanced themselves from Andrew Tate after his arrest. He even lost Milo Yiannopoulos.
As well as Bobby Dino.
But there are still key supporters. People like Tommy Robinson knows Andrew Tate and publicly defended the guy in recent months. Tommy and Paul Joseph Watson are the two tentpoles holding up Andrew in the UK political scene.
HERE'S Paul Joseph Watson's attempt to argue in favor of Andrew Tate.
As you might expect, it's only the most positive aspects of the situation. Paul shoved in some details about the very end, but gives a half-assed "i dunno" about the matter.
However, I wanted Paul Joseph Watson to give his opinion about camgirls. As you can see here, PJW clearly enjoys them. There's that as well as the fact PJW has known Andrew Tate for years? Paul's "truth" video didn't give too many answers.
Bluntly speaking: Andrew Tate was an obscure name that only people in right-wing circles were aware of back in early 2019. These were the circumstances that I outlined in my first thread.
Now, Andrew had to deal with his own reputation when faced by the likes of Piers Morgan in mainstream interviews. It’s here that Mr. Tate tried painting himself in a more glamourous light, in a way that further fed his own arrogance.
“I do not think I’m a force for good. I absolutely and utterly know I’m a force for good because I’m a force for truth, and truth is a good thing,” he told Piers. The host also made Andrew address past comments which included a clip where Tate claimed “ISIS are the real Muslims.”
Andrew Tate’s Hustlers University / The Real World project was something impacted by his arrest. They “revoked Andrew Tate’s cert. therealworld is bouncing around backup domains.”
Hustlers University is the affiliate marketing program of the Tate brothers. They lure young people in with a 30 to 60 day program where they promise to teach skills to enrollees. But the regimen boiled down to setting up social media accounts in order to advertise Tate clips.
It’s something that I explore further later on in this article. Scroll down a bit and you’ll see it. I’m mentioning a bit of it now to convey the extent of reactions in the aftermath of the Tate brothers being arrested.
(Eventually The Real World switched domains.)
The New York Post published an article detailing the location of “Andrew Tate’s $700K Romanian warehouse he turned into a hideout.” It’s an important bit of background knowledge as it sets the stage for the story. The best way I can think of putting it is that the Tate brothers specifically set up this compound to fit their needs for the business they conducted.
Which bluntly speaking means places for their cars, security, and spots to film content for YouTube.
When it comes to properties associated with the Tate brothers, neighbors also spotted “dozens” of young men arriving to attend what they said was Hustlers University related coursework.
“Neighbours said at least eight to ten women at a time were presenting online sex shows from the building with shifts working around the clock. The number of women began to fall after police raided it in April.”
The Tate brothers weren’t the only ones arrested. 32-year-old Luana Radu and 28-year-old Georgiana Naghel were also nabbed by authorities. Radu’s background as a former police woman is relevant because it was later revealed she accessed internal police databases on behalf of the Tate brothers. Meanwhile, Georgiana Naghel is described as "a businesswoman and influencer who is believed to have been dating Tate for almost a year."
In my own observations I’ve seen Naghel serve as a personal assistant to Andrew as well. “These two women are Tate's trusted lieutenants and his angels,” Daily Mail explained.
Citing police sources:
“They are an important part of the crimes that took place because they made sure that the women being held against their will did as they were told.”
“The Tate brothers financially benefited from these crimes and so did these two women. They live a fantastic life which is not in keeping with their financial position.”
Luana Radu had a rare opportunity to address the Romanian media when authorities allowed her to attend her grandmother’s funeral in mid-January. "We are innocent. It is a completely fabricated case. There is no evidence whatsoever. The orders are from abroad. They are telling truths that hurt. They behaved nicely with everyone. I was never abused either," she told the press.
A Romanian news report says Andrew Tate's partner, Georgiana Nagel (now arrested), tried SELLING private conversations to the media.
One of the people questioned by DIICOT was the head of security for the Tate brothers: a former DGPI intelligence officer named Bogdan Stancu. It has been publicly known that the Tates flaunted an “army of mercenaries” with past military experience to guard their compound from groups who might seek to rob the place.
The DIICOT prosecutor in charge of the Tate brothers case is Rareș Petru. Romanian media presented him as a tough-as-nails guy who wasn’t afraid to take on dangerous people like high-profile drug dealer Marian Bejan.
As for the defense, the Tate brothers lawyer is Eugen Vidineac. In early January 2023, he did an interview criticizing DIICOT’s case against his clients.
As for a general overview, Stefan Loredan had someone look into the guy’s professional background. ”While he is a good lawyer, he mainly specializes on Civil Law and not in Criminal Law," was his conclusion.
Stefan believes that the Tate brothers initially went with this lawyer because the duo had worked with him previously.
Evidence of the Tate brothers approaching people under 18-years-old came out via the testimony of a daughter of a Romanian politician.
Daria Gușă said on social media:
"The first time I became interested in these individuals was when I received a message from one of the Tate brothers, it was 3 years ago. I was 16 years old, I had just created an Instagram account, but I was already out of the country, studying in Austria."
It seemed suspicious to me that a man with several million followers, whom I had never heard of, had sent me an explicit message, with the obvious purpose of "hooking" me. Because the sender was located in the Prahova area, I asked my former colleagues from Câmpina high school if they had somehow received similar messages, and three of them confirmed that they had.”
She didn’t respond to Andrew Tate’s direct message, and was 16-years-old at the time. Daria’s 15-year-old friend also got a salacious message but rejected his advances.
Tristan Tate’s ex-girlfriend Maria Cătălina spoke to the Romanian media in early 2022 to give insight about being in a relationship with these people. After meeting on Facebook years prior, Maria became aware that this was a situation where multiple women were involved working for him.
“In the beginning it was about the relationship, it wasn't about work. At first he's cute, I think that's how all girls are. After that his true face is seen. He has a rather violent behavior. He wasn't necessarily violent with me, but with the people around him. He abuses alcohol and becomes violent. He didn't hit me or anything...
I don't know of any cases where Tristan has hit on the girls who work for him. I only know of his brother that he hit a girl, pretty bad. He filmed her and then made her say it was witchcraft, but he beat her pretty bad.”
After breaking up with Tristan she tried to approach him for a work opportunity instead. It was two weeks of unpaid labor where Maria says she was placed in a separate house called “American Village.”
In a follow-up article, Maria Cătălina confirms that the brothers regularly entice women to get tattoos with the brother’s names on them as a physical sign of ownership. She also said that — despite being millionaires — Tristan was “stingy” with money and demanded servitude from the women in his life.
The above article alone contradicts the claims made by Andrew Tate on the Piers Morgan show. It was there he claimed to the world that “not a single [woman] has said anything negative” about him after being “cancelled.”
REMINDER: April 2022 was the first raid against the Tate brothers, and it happened when an American girl sent out a distress call that she was being held against her will. She and at least one other were rescued.
To come back to Hustler's University: "The Real World" project is the 3.0 version of that effort. Andrew Tate pitched it as seemingly a replacement for any and all mainstream modern internet amenities.
To top it all off: the site made you pay $147 to pre-order a monthly membership cost of roughly $50 a month.
Ironically it was discovered that Andrew Tate’s “escape the globalists” project had connections to what could be described by some as globalist enterprises.
Seeing as how for payment processing: the site lists CMC Consulting LLC as a partner —> Charlie Cicack runs it --> but it’s a shell company —> Cicack actually works for the processor, BankCard USA —> BankCard USA owned by Quisitive —> Quisitive owns a vaccine passport company.
(Credit to r/gammasecretkings for figuring this one out.)
Charlie Cicack realized how bad this looked and erased the evidence from his Linkedin. Andrew “Mr. Transparency” Tate ended up replacing the payment processor with something else, soon after.
When it comes to the other business enterprises of the Tate brothers, their company War Room Vegas SRL is partially owned by Royalty Sport Management. Romanian media linked this gambling venture to the Doroftei brothers.
In November 2022 DIICOT raided over 100 locations related to these casino enterprises for charges of forming an organized criminal group and blackmailing companies to eliminate competition in their field. The Doroftei brothers allegedly hired “‘recoverers’ from the Sportsmen, Cordunen and Moneylender clans, whose role it was to recover the large winnings obtained in their halls and to scare away the competition.”
Andrew Tate's account retweeted this. He was trying to distract the world from his shady business dealings + his various abuses against women by attempting to play the "MUH FREE SPEECH" argument.
Throughout the month of January, Andrew Tate lost the appeal related to asset seizures.
This included the cars.
The seizures amounted to millions of Euros and could serve as the basis for damages in a civil lawsuit brought forward by two of the victims in the case.
"I'm the guy who gets money to have women near him," Tristan Tate told Richard Cooper as he explained that he seduced women "in the old fashioned way" and then turned them into employees.
TRISTAN TATE'S TRANSPARENCY: "How did you make your money to buy luxury cars?" "I won't say the two biggest things that made me money. Let me talk about cryptocurrency instead."
I can't make this more obvious: Tristan Tate brags about milking a 10/10 girl to make "$50,000 out of thin air."
I don't know what could justify Andrew Tate attacking ColtyBrah's family. In this clip (from a Rich Cooper interview) he talks about how he targeted ColtyBrah's family, doxed them, and promised to give them hell forever.
Andrew Tate confesses to doxing ColtyBrah, putting a BOUNTY on him, and having people show up at his house. There are people who will continue to twist and turn and justify Andrew Tate putting a target on some guy's back.
“Killing for sport” is what Andrew Tate said as he put pictures of family members on his Twitter feed.
What's the context behind "I literally will instruct a team, of 5 competent California based men, to follow this dude around."?
"You can't hide. My guys are outside." "If you won't fight. Just Tweet 'I've spoken to tate and we've fixed the issue' And don't mention my name on Twitter ever again."
As more details of the case became public, we’d learn that the Tate brothers lured in victims with “sentimental promises.” Bucharest Court documents detailed how in at least one case a woman was promised marriage. But then this girl was introduced to the living situation that had her essentially relegated to a separate place where she would be tossed in with the pile of other camgirls.
(Here’s a Romanian legal document from the day of the Tate brothers initial arrest)
According to the judges:
“Andrew and Tristan Tate have shown ‘a fundamental contempt for social relations protected by criminal law’. They had the ‘ability’ to identify exactly the vulnerable people who could later serve their purposes, taking advantage - through a constant sentimental manipulation - of the victims’ needs for affection, trust and stability.
‘The judge of rights and liberties considers that leaving the defendants in a state of freedom poses a danger to public order and it is necessary to take the measure of preventive arrest to remove this state of danger, consider the particular seriousness of the crimes committed by the defendants, the concrete way in which they acted, proving a fundamental contempt for the social relations protected by the criminal rules.’
A separate article released around this time had transcripts of conversations between Andrew Tate and a girl, where the promise of matrimony was made.
Emory: Can you be loving enough to be a wife? To always be by my side, wherever I go? Talk to 0 men besides me? Ride or die? 😊”;
Emory: you have to move to Romania with me, to keep an eye on you";
Emory: You're mine. Do not forget that. And act like it. We will be together soon.
Girl: but can I trust you?
Emory: Yes. You can.
Emory: You will move to Romania with me. I plan when I get there. First, I might have to go to Prague for a few days.
Emory: and we meet in Romania."
Emory: and I want to know that you are committed
Emory: Serious about marriage.
Girl: Yes. I am serious"
It’s also detailed how the brothers psychologically controlled women at their house, using the threat that they’re being watched at all times to ensure they didn’t contact authorities.
This absolute control extended to the fact that women weren’t allowed to leave the Tate brothers house unless they were accompanied by escorts of the most “trusted employees.”
”Andrew Tate: You don't go anywhere without one of the three (trusted employee nos).
Young woman: Why are you so cold to me?
Andrew Tate: Don't go out alone without telling me.
Andrew Tate: Mall, supermarket, nowhere from now on.
Young woman: I told you I wanted to go alone
Andrew Tate: It's the last warning!".
Trusted employees meaning people like Radu Luana who collected money from the girls on behalf of the Tate brothers.
Back in early 2020, if not earlier, Andrew Tate ran a "get rich quick" scam involving a foreign currency exchange program. This guy's YouTube video explains the whole thing.
PEOPLE LOST A LOT OF MONEY. They wanted refunds but didn't get them. There’s a whole forum thread of people complaining about the situation.
I added this video of a watch expert laughing at Andrew Tate’s fake $500,000 watch for the sake of comedy relief.
It didn’t take long for inauthentic pro-Tate accounts to start cropping up in my replies. The way you can identify them is either through their miniscule number of tweets, their fairly recent sign-up dates, as well as their all-in-all dedication to talking about the brothers.
Here’s a gallery of the Andrew Tate Hustler’s University marketing accounts that I came across in early January 2023.
In my original Twitter thread I collected 120 examples. But here I think I made my point and I’ll spare you the redundancy.
It’s a marketing group, and @coffeebreak_YT confirmed it’s a marketing campaign.
I wasn’t the only one to recognize this pro-Tate army as inorganic. An investigation by the Observer in August 2022 revealed that Tate’s followers were being told to “flood social media with videos of him, choosing the most controversial clips in order to achieve maximum views and engagement.”
“The coordinated effort, involving thousands of members of Tate’s private online academy Hustler’s University and a network of copycat accounts on TikTok, has been described by experts as a “blatant attempt to manipulate the algorithm” and artificially boost his content. In less than three months, the strategy has earned him a huge following online and potentially made him millions of pounds, with 127,000 members now paying the £39 a month to join Hustler’s University community, many of them men and boys from the UK and US.”
Andrew Tate’s influence over young people was a growing concern around this time. BuzzFeed published an article about how Tate’s misogynistic personality rubbed off on impressionable young men who sought to emulate him. Experts said that people gravitated towards the Tate brothers because they were seen as anti-mainstream.
In the aftermath of Andrew Tate’s arrest, fans took to the streets to make videos protesting for his release.
According to The Times in the UK, this phenomena was showing itself in the classroom:
“The presentation on Tate was given last term in a school in south London to a group of 14-year-olds after teachers noticed that pupils were parroting his sexist sentiments. It was quickly derailed by an argument about rape.
About a third of the 30 students in the class passionately argued that women were responsible for their own sexual assaults, one of Tate’s top lines.
The male teacher asked pupils how they would feel if the victim were a female family member. “At that point a lot of the boys changed their tones when I put their mother or sister in that spot, but it was worrying that a few core kids didn’t and still said they would be to blame,” said the teacher, who asked to remain anonymous.”
Within the first week of the arrest, prosecutors in Romania seized more cars from the Tate brothers compound. A DIICOT spokesperson told AP that if they proved money was acquired by human trafficking, things like the cars "will be taken by the state and (will) cover the expenses of the investigation and damages to the victims.”
It was revealed that prosecutors had wiretaps placed throughout Tate premises in order to find out the truth of the situation. Some of the camgirls weren’t just camgirls, but they were also enlisted into doing other illegal activities for the brothers.
Andrew Tate: You're not stupid and you can probably guess how I make so much money. I have to hide what I'm really doing.
Victim: Web cam?
Andrew Tate: I've been doing this for a long time with a team of girls working on video chat. The company was fake, but this is how I laundered my dirty money. Some of the girls who worked for me (...) I used them to do other things. To move money or illegal things, documents, etc. I will never do that with you.
Alongside this report came further confirmation of the tattoo ritual that the brothers made women go through as a display of their devotion.
A problem that occasionally emerged is the chain of communication between Andrew in prison and the outside world. In early January there were concerns when it emerged that he was hospitalized. "I know he was sick yesterday, but I don't know more," Andrew’s lawyer said at the time. It was kept in seemingly vague terms.
What really happened was that both the Tate brothers had a standard medical check-up given to all detainees, and that’s when Andrew brought up an issue with his lungs. He then briefly went to a specialist at a Bucharest hospital for a consultation.
But that was it. Whoever was controlling Andrew Tate’s social media decided to play into people’s fears, making a tweet implying the matrix attacked him in prison instead.
(The issue surrounding Andrew Tate’s so-called cancer would resurface in March 2023. For a short time, Tate’s allies publicly claimed it was a serious matter. A follow-up doctor report that leaked showed that whatever Andrew had was benign.)
As for prison meals: "For lunch they will receive a chicken and lamb soup with beans and sausage, for dinner they will have natural potatoes with roast chicken, and for dessert they will receive a muffin and an apple each."
There were always questions surrounding how much wealth the Tate brothers actually had. How much of it was real versus what was fabricated for social media. One of the things that came out after their arrest was how their companies (and the companies owned by associates) were facing massive debts.
ANDREW TATE SAYS HE HAD CAMGIRLS **LIE** TO THE "LONELY MALE" CUSTOMERS.
> The camgirls claimed to need money for actual travel expenses.
> These guys would send it assuming they'd get to meet these girls.
> The promised meeting would never come.
This is fraud.
(As for context, the clip is from an episode of the Full Send podcast that got taken down.)
Unsurprisingly, as discovered by Jordan Welch in this video where he attempted to join Andrew Tate’s war room: his crypto wallet is/was blacklisted by Coinbase.
Two of the six victims named in the court case were a pair of girls called Jasmine and Beatrice. They went on Romanian television to attempt to denounce the case altogether, claiming that the Tate brothers are wonderful people and that the case was “built on lies.” The two of them have been with the brothers for over a year in one case, and multiple years in another. They’ve even participated in the tattoo ritual to show their devotion.
Jasmine’s alias when working under the Tate brothers was “MercedesHillx.” She’s one of nearly a dozen girls that appear in the “Tailsmanagement” catalog of ladies. Prominent names like Luana Radu and OhMyMel (banned from OnlyFans) also appear.
Jasmine would regularly show up on social media in the weeks that followed, continuing to denounce the legitimacy of the case against the Tates.
When it came to the Mario Nawfal Twitter Spaces debates, I made my anti-Tate bias clearly known so people could weigh my remarks with that in mind. This didn’t stop me from occasionally trying to motion for more balance.
But here’s the thing when it comes to that. Take for instance, this webcam girl who supposedly vouched for Andrew Tate.
On the surface that seems fine. But then I learned her name is Oana Tascau and she was worked as a prison officer, and was accused of corruption.
In another instance of this I tweeted out a pair of articles. One pro-Tate, another anti-Tate. The pro side was written by a former prosecutor, and he gave the opinion that Romanian authorities were improvising as they went along in their investigation. The anti side was written by a forensic psychologist who believed the Tates gloated about their lifestyle too much, and were now set to crack under pressure.
Mario’s Twitter spaces debates were sometimes useful. On one of them, @carlahowe shared with everyone the negative experiences she (and others) have had in the past with Andrew Tate.
Confirming that the Tate brothers use tattoos to label women as property, Tristan kept a 100-page long f*ck journal in early 2020.
> "There is only one trick. Making [them] fall in love."
> "This is the 5th girl to tattoo my name on their body," he wrote on February 6th.
February 22nd. Tristan Tate says he doesn't even like this girl.🚨
> "This girl is NOT one of them. The reasons I see this girl I won’t go into, but in short, I’m a collector."
> "my name is tattooed on her"
> "Why would I let her leave and be happy with somebody else? No. Mine."
In Andrew Tate's course on how to set up a webcam business, he says he LIES about taxes:
1.) He LIES to take an extra **TWENTY PERCENT** from his cam girls.
2.) He then uses taxes to INTIMIDATE his "workers" into staying, by claiming to be taking care of it.
🚨🚨🚨Andrew Tate explains in this webcam pimping course that he HAS to fuck all of his employees as a means of controlling them. "If you're not fucking the girl, she is fucking someone else. And that other person she's fucking, is gonna have THE CONTROL over her mind."
🚨🚨Andrew Tate confesses on camera that he goes out on dates **SOLELY FOR THE PURPOSE** of recruiting women to be camgirls.
> As in: he doesn't bring the topic up until AFTER getting them to sleep with him. Then he explains how girls are GROOM GROOM GROOMED into the fold.
^ You probably think I'm taking this out of context. NO.🚨🚨🚨🚨
BECAUSE THEN: Andrew Tate clearly specifies why *it's important* to mislead women by having sex with them FIRST and then bringing up recruitment into the business. He seriously took the time to double down on it.
It’d become routine that Andrew and Tristan had to face the Romanian courts and receive 30-day extensions to their pre-trial detention sentence. This regular check-in was also accompanied by attempts from their lawyers to appeal, with said appeals being rejected.
A standard reasoning from the judges for rejecting appeals for release was often chalked up to the fact that they believe the Tate brothers would flee the country given the opportunity to do so. Andrew on his part made numerous claims about fleeing authorities on social media, and having multiple passports at his own disposal.
During these proceedings, the Tate brothers have brought up the fact they now have children and wanted to see them. Imagine if that was a go-to excuse for any potential criminal in any court system around the world. It wouldn’t work, and if it did, people would have kids on purpose to exploit it.
(At the time of writing, the latest appeal for the Tate brothers has been rejected by the Romanian court system.)
The debate surrounding the Tate brothers situation comes down to one side saying it’s inhumane to keep them locked up without any formal charges. Whereas on the other end stories have come out about how Andrew has attempted to give orders to his associates from prison in efforts to clean up his reputation and get victims to back down.
Reminder: Andrew Tate repeatedly confessed on camera that the ONLY reason he went onto Instagram, and pick up girls, was to RECRUIT them. it's the exact reason Andrew + Tristan Tate were arrested. For building a sex trafficking ring, as described by Tate himself in this video.
Andrew Tate literally pitches himself for CONSULTING other people, in his own training video teaching viewers how to become a webcam pimp. THE "DON" wanted his own slice of whatever action people might've made after watching!!!
A report indicated the United States became interested in Andrew Tate and possible links to terrorism after Andrew announced a conversion to Islam back in November 2021. The same piece also said DIICOT was looking for the various financial accounts of the Tate brothers, after they claimed online that their holdings are spread throughout as many as 19 different countries.
Transcripts revealed that Tate girls were forced to work until they were exhausted. Evidence that I have uncovered in the time since first reporting on this in January has further confirmed this fact. I’m in possession of a video where a woman complains about being haunted by cam work in her dreams since she works so many hours.
Other instances show how Tate girls are subjected to a life of servitude, being called slaves.
“Girl : I think we need to focus more on our relationship than external things.
Andrew Tate : You will write something else, something beautiful.
Girl : I want to stay pure.
Andrew Tate : Pure women submit to their men.
…………………..Andrew Tate : Where's my dinner?
Girl : Baby, don't talk like that, please. You know I want to make you dinner, just waiting to get to you.
Andrew Tate : Slave!
Girl : Please”
Keep in mind the above, while the lawyer for the Tate brothers claims that his clients were set up.
The British Embassy at some point visited the brothers in prison.
When someone tells you who they are, listen to them.
VICE uncovered that Andrew Tate had been arrested on “suspicion of sexual assault and physical abuse in 2015” while he and his brother were running their camgirl business in the UK.
Sally told VICE World News that she was strangled by Tate at least five times, and saw him choke other women on at least 10 occasions, attacking them in sudden outbursts of violence. The attacks allegedly occurred when the women were working for Tate’s webcam sex business in Luton, England, in 2015.
“Me and another girl would wake up in the morning with these, like, red, I can only describe them as freckles around our eyes,” said Sally.
“It was from when he choked me so hard that my blood vessels had literally just burst.”
The girls said that the Crown Prosecution Service mishandled the case and declined to prosecute, whereas people in Tate’s camp maintain that the case never moved forward amid claims of collusion between the two girls when telling their story to police. This was also said to be the real reason why that Andrew was kicked off of the Big Brother reality show in 2016.
In a video interview, the victim said that Andrew Tate smacked girls with a belt “because she wanted a lie-in.” She also said women were strangled and raped.
The topic of strangling came up again in a follow-up piece from VICE from a separate victim. In the case of Amelia’s experiences, she saved chat logs and voice notes from Andrew that has him responding to purported abuses. "I’m just debating whether I should rape you or not,” he told her. “Am I a bad person? Because the more you didn’t like it, the more I enjoyed it. I fucking loved how much you hated it. It turned me on. Why am I like that? Why?”
Police in this case didn’t move forward because of an alleged “ounce of doubt” in the case. The officer Amelia had spoken with said that authorities and the CPS actually believed her, however.
What shocked me is how Andrew Tate in his own words admitted to strangling a woman.
It’s worth pointing out that according to the VICE documentary, Andrew Tate's lawyer did NOT respond to *repeated* requests for comment regarding Amelia's story, which here means the audio in question.
Since people might have short attention spans, here's the part where Andrew Tate admits to strangling a woman "a little bit."
After posting the clip, dozens of Andrew Tate’s followers showed up in my Twitter replies claiming the audio was somehow fake. They even resorted to making fake clips of Andrew Tate themselves. As if doing so would somehow discredit VICE’s reporting.
Experts in the field of AI told the Daily Dot that there was no merit to the claims of VICE’s audio being some kind of manipulated media.
Andrew Tate’s mom eventually came up in the rounds of news. Family friends claimed that Eileen Tate was disgusted by the internet persona that his son had made. A relative of Tate’s deceased father added that he too would’ve been disappointed at his son’s actions.
Further searches by police took place after the Tate brothers were arrested. Prosecutors descended on locations owned by Tristan Tate’s girlfriend who he has a child with, as well as places owned by Tate associate Vlad Obu.
When it came to the girlfriend, Ana, she wasn’t at home at the time of the raid. The media said she was about ready to give birth to Tristan Tate’s second child around this point in time. DIICOT eyed her in the first place on the stated reasoning that she supposedly handled payments for the video chat camgirls + OnlyFans models.
When it came to Vlad Obu, authorities raided him because he was essentially a copycat of the Tate brothers in terms of his camgirl enterprise. He garnered attention after “he recorded himself asking women to kill their children. He was then filmed throwing objects from the balcony of an apartment in Mamaia.”
The January 12th raids by DIICOT also extended to a relative of the Tate brothers since he owned a video chat studio in Bucharest. A total of seven addresses were searched.
In another "training video," Tristan Tate explains how one of "his" Webcam girls was making money on the side, and what he did to deal with it.🚨pro-Tate fans will claim it's a figure of speech when Tristan says he "smashed [her] room up" to get "his" cut of money she earned.
The way that Tristan Tate makes it sound, it's as if any webcam girl that works for them is not allowed to get *any of their outside sources of money, from anyone, at all.* It's all about control, for the both of 'em.
Tristan Tate urges up-and-coming "webcam pimps" to pay webcam girls "as much as you think is fair *but as little as possible.*""This is all about profit."... but not for the webcam girls. "Girls are stupid. Girls waste money," Tristan says.
Anyway that’s what I could recover, for now, from the second of my Tate Twitter threads. More to come, it’ll just take some time to navigate how to retrieve some of the tweets buried in my suspended account.
Folie à deux means the madness of two. Shared psychosis."Folie à deux is defined as an identical or similar mental disorder affecting two or more individuals, usually the members of a close family."
Not only is that the same of the Joker sequel movie, but I think it also applies to the situation of Andrew and Tristan Tate’s lifestyle.